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that is a clear signal that republicans in the house are taking us right over the fiscal cliff. i wished the entire republican caucus was as reasonable as the colleague of mine and friend who is standing right next to me who is a very conservative republican but a very practical common sense republican. if his colleagues would listen to him, we would be in decent shape here. right now the problem in the republican caucus and the house is compromise has bng a dirty word. as you indicated there things in this bill that i don't like. there are things in this bill that i don't like. but i recognize that none of us get to have things 100% of our way. and the difference between divided government and dysfunctional government is a willingness to compromise. and compromise is in very short supply today in the house republican caucus. >> suarez: representative van hollen you heard your colleague tom cole talk about deep misgivings inside the republican caucus. aren't there members of your party who are not overjoyed with what came out of the senate last night? where the dividing lines am
that is a clear signal that republicans in the house are taking us right over the fiscal cliff. i wished the entire republican caucus was as reasonable as the colleague of mine and friend who is standing right next to me who is a very conservative republican but a very practical common sense republican. if his colleagues would listen to him, we would be in decent shape here. right now the problem in the republican caucus and the house is compromise has bng a dirty word. as you indicated there...
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. ♪ >>> house republicans staged a new year's day revolt against the senate bill to avoid the fiscal cliff. good evening. i'm richard lui. you're watching the standoff in washington, d.c. the house gop is meeting at this hour for the second time today. leadership and members are discussing how to move forward on a bill they say need to include spending cuts. house speaker john boehner and eric cantor arrived at the meeting together. but it was cantor who set off the storm earlier today just hours ago by announcing he could not support the senate bill that was approved this morning at 2:00 a.m. house democratic leader nancy pelosi attempted to put pressure on tonight. she posted this on twitter saying quote, strong majority of house democrats support the bipartisan senate bill that passed 89-8. confident it will pass and speaker boehner allows an up or down vote. and republicans like congressman jack kingston of georgia blame the senate for a hastily written bill. >> it was way past those senators' bedtime. they were blurry eyed when they were reading it. we're trying to fill in the g
. ♪ >>> house republicans staged a new year's day revolt against the senate bill to avoid the fiscal cliff. good evening. i'm richard lui. you're watching the standoff in washington, d.c. the house gop is meeting at this hour for the second time today. leadership and members are discussing how to move forward on a bill they say need to include spending cuts. house speaker john boehner and eric cantor arrived at the meeting together. but it was cantor who set off the storm earlier...
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the back for avoiding the fiscal cliff. much't know how congratulation we ought to have for that. yesterday i was buying some groceries, and the guy at the checkout stand had no idea who i was, and should not have. he said, what is going on on capitol hill? what are those people doing? we ought to fire everybody in congress. they cannot get their work done. we have to get our work done. they don't have to get their work done. he made a good point. it is down to the level of gross restore check out people, and i suspect other levels than that. people are tuned into the news media or entertainment media. they call it the fiscal cliff, so that it appears to be in niagara falls with money running over it. more of a gradual slope, but we have to stop this downward slope that we are on. it is important that we do that. this is the body that can do that. congress can do that. we do a war of words around here, this protecting the ridgc. h the problem goes into the definition of rich, and that is a hard one to explain. any attempt t
the back for avoiding the fiscal cliff. much't know how congratulation we ought to have for that. yesterday i was buying some groceries, and the guy at the checkout stand had no idea who i was, and should not have. he said, what is going on on capitol hill? what are those people doing? we ought to fire everybody in congress. they cannot get their work done. we have to get our work done. they don't have to get their work done. he made a good point. it is down to the level of gross restore check...
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the big story here today: real questions at this hour about whether the senate passed fiscal cliff legislation will make it out of the house in one piece. moments ago, you are looking at video of house speaker john boehner and majority leader eric cantor walking in a republican conference meeting together. a show of solidarity, perhaps, after cantor came out against the bill that passed the senate this morning. looking live outside the meeting now. tonight on "special report," g.o.p. lawmakers are suggesting they may amend that bill and send it back to the senate. we'll explain what that means when we have live reports on both sides of pennsylvania avenue. potennial market reaction to the late moves. at the white house, president obama's plane but gassed up and ready to go back to hawaii. but with no vote and no communication with boehner, what now? "special report" from washington with all the fiscal cliff latest starts at 6:00. now back to "the five." ♪ ♪ ♪ >> juan: getting redty to party. the last segment we took a look at the serious moments on "the five" this year. now let's get to
the big story here today: real questions at this hour about whether the senate passed fiscal cliff legislation will make it out of the house in one piece. moments ago, you are looking at video of house speaker john boehner and majority leader eric cantor walking in a republican conference meeting together. a show of solidarity, perhaps, after cantor came out against the bill that passed the senate this morning. looking live outside the meeting now. tonight on "special report," g.o.p....
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i'm richard lui, you're watching msnbc's continuing coverage of the fiscal cliff deal. eric cantor emerging from a meeting saying he does not support the senate-passed bill. house speaker bonn janer is not likely to bring the senate bill to the floor without changes is what we're hearing and in a statement boehner's spokesman said the speaker and leader laid out options to the members and listened to feedback. the lack of spending cuts in the senate bill was our universal concern amongst members in today's meetings. conversations will continue throughout the afternoon on the path forward. outgoing republican congressman steven latourette told nbc's luke russert the senate bill did not stand much of a bill in the house. take a listen. >> i think it's a little unreasonable for senator reid to say that something they produced on new year's eve, produced by a bunch of sleep-deprived octogenarians is what we should adopt within 48 hours. >> laetset's bring in mike viqu. we understand there have been meetings throughout the afternoon. >> reporter: the future of this bill, the
i'm richard lui, you're watching msnbc's continuing coverage of the fiscal cliff deal. eric cantor emerging from a meeting saying he does not support the senate-passed bill. house speaker bonn janer is not likely to bring the senate bill to the floor without changes is what we're hearing and in a statement boehner's spokesman said the speaker and leader laid out options to the members and listened to feedback. the lack of spending cuts in the senate bill was our universal concern amongst...
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the fiscal cliff deal approvaled overwhelmingly faces strong opposition by house republicans. in fact, the number two house republican leader says he does not support it and now a new deadline threatens to send it back to the drawing board. and dana bash is on capitol hill. dana, what is the latest as far as the republican majority in the house is concerned? >> reporter: the latest, wolf, is that republicans will reconvene and have a second meeting in 15 minutes. down this hall, house republican leaders are still huddling but they announced that they are going to call republicans back together. perhaps that is because they have an idea of the the game plan that they want to pursue after they heard for about an hour and a half this afternoon from their rank and file by all accounts there certainly is a lot of interpret pi dags and voting to simply approve what the senate passed last night not only overwhelmingly, 90% of the senate voted for it, but it passed overwhelmingly among the fellow republicans. again, the percentage is about 90% of senate republicans voted in favor of t
the fiscal cliff deal approvaled overwhelmingly faces strong opposition by house republicans. in fact, the number two house republican leader says he does not support it and now a new deadline threatens to send it back to the drawing board. and dana bash is on capitol hill. dana, what is the latest as far as the republican majority in the house is concerned? >> reporter: the latest, wolf, is that republicans will reconvene and have a second meeting in 15 minutes. down this hall, house...
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okay the fiscal cliff bill passed overwhelmingly by the senate. but gop lead verse not agreed to let the house vote or amend the bill. >> i think more members want this to pass than are willing to vote for it. you also have to be practical about what's the best deal you can get under the circumstances. >> reporter: vice president joe biden was back on the hill after helping to broker the senate deal. it spared the middle class a tax hike but raised taxes on those making over $400,000 a year. jobless benefits from extended for millions of unemployed but massive cuts to the military and other federal agencies were delayed for two months. democrats now the chance to vote on the bill as they say boehner promise. >> until now our speaker has head when the senate acts, we will have a vote in the house. that is what he said. that is what we expect. that is what the american people deserve. >> to forge a constructive solution for the good of the nation. >> reporter: with an opening prayer appealing for come prom ties house went into session at noon. the r
okay the fiscal cliff bill passed overwhelmingly by the senate. but gop lead verse not agreed to let the house vote or amend the bill. >> i think more members want this to pass than are willing to vote for it. you also have to be practical about what's the best deal you can get under the circumstances. >> reporter: vice president joe biden was back on the hill after helping to broker the senate deal. it spared the middle class a tax hike but raised taxes on those making over...
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cliff deal would be done. however, we've just learned within the last 30 minutes that the second ranking republican in the house does not support the bill as it stands. and as our luke russert has been reporting to us, this would mean a whole other round of amendments perhaps to that bill. it also could mean that, therefore, it would go to the senate and then back to the house. this as we look at only 44 hours left in the 112th congress, and can they get it done or will it have to start all over again on thursday with the 113th congress? nbc's luke russert has been reporting for us and he was speaking with members early and heard from one member, luke, and i found this very interesting, you said that that member told you that was in the room for one of the meetings in the conference, 40 members spoke up, 37 spoke out against the plan, and 3 spoke for it. who are those three? who might they be? and what is the sentiment they have that they're so brave as it sounds to be one of the few? >> reporter: well, with h
cliff deal would be done. however, we've just learned within the last 30 minutes that the second ranking republican in the house does not support the bill as it stands. and as our luke russert has been reporting to us, this would mean a whole other round of amendments perhaps to that bill. it also could mean that, therefore, it would go to the senate and then back to the house. this as we look at only 44 hours left in the 112th congress, and can they get it done or will it have to start all...
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. >>> breaking news, house republicans have just wrapped up a meeting to discuss the fiscal cliff deal worked out by vice president joe biden and senate m minority leader mitch mcconnell. the deal which passed overnight will see income taxes rise on individuals making over $450,000 a year, and families making over $550,000 a year. let's listen in now as house democrats speak. >> caucus meeting which -- in which the vice president not only roused the entire membership, but also gave us a very thoughtful and detailed explanation of what's gone on, and how it was that he and the president working with the democratic and republican leaders in both houses were able to come together on this compromise. we first want to say thank you to the vice president for being so gracious. quite honestly, so frank in his conversation with us in explaining as much as he could about what's transpired over the last several weeks. we now are waiting to hear from our republican colleagues, whether or not they want to do what the senate did in a very bipartisan fashion and give the men people an opportunity to
. >>> breaking news, house republicans have just wrapped up a meeting to discuss the fiscal cliff deal worked out by vice president joe biden and senate m minority leader mitch mcconnell. the deal which passed overnight will see income taxes rise on individuals making over $450,000 a year, and families making over $550,000 a year. let's listen in now as house democrats speak. >> caucus meeting which -- in which the vice president not only roused the entire membership, but also...
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>>> as we continue to keep an eye on the fiscal cliff, the republicans continue to meet behind closed doors, a meeting described as a bit noisy and excited. the democrats just finished their meeting with vice president joe biden. that was described as an evangelical meeting. still unclear whether a vote by the house will take place on the bill that was passed by the senate or whether in fact they will amend it and send it back to the senate. joining us from washington, bob cusack, the managing editor of the online journal the hill. and, so, bob what is the latest word you have as to what is going on and whether in fact john boehner can get his people together to vote for this? >> well, it is going to be very difficult. house republicans don't like the senate passed bill, even though it passed 89-8. it looks like the house will pass something to return it back to the senate. they'll amend it in some way, it looks like, because they don't like this $4 trillion price tag that just came out over the last ten minutes, cbo just released that. and this is just a tough vote for house conserva
>>> as we continue to keep an eye on the fiscal cliff, the republicans continue to meet behind closed doors, a meeting described as a bit noisy and excited. the democrats just finished their meeting with vice president joe biden. that was described as an evangelical meeting. still unclear whether a vote by the house will take place on the bill that was passed by the senate or whether in fact they will amend it and send it back to the senate. joining us from washington, bob cusack, the...
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thank you for joining us. >> thank you. >> as the details of the fiscal cliff deal were coming together monday republicans were expressing their displeasure with how the president was selling the compromise. it wasn't just the words he used at a monday afternoon news conference but the optics of the president literally standing with the middle class voters that upset some of them including his 2008 opponent senator john mccain. >> as i sort out my impressions of the president's remarks as to whether to be angry or to be saddened. we have the president of the united states go over and have a cheerleading, ridiculing of republicans exercise. >> joining us now are our strats chris cofinas and chip salzmann. thank you for being here on this new year's day. >> thank you. so, chris, i want to start with you. are these attacks on the president's news conference fair? did that photo op with voters really risk derailing a deal? >> well, there have been a lot of things that risk derailing a deal. the president going out there and using the bully pulpit to pressure republicans if you will to come
thank you for joining us. >> thank you. >> as the details of the fiscal cliff deal were coming together monday republicans were expressing their displeasure with how the president was selling the compromise. it wasn't just the words he used at a monday afternoon news conference but the optics of the president literally standing with the middle class voters that upset some of them including his 2008 opponent senator john mccain. >> as i sort out my impressions of the...
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as the nation was heading for the fiscal cliff, here is the senate republican leader's closing argument. >> each of us could spend the rest of the week discussing what a perfect solutioning would have looked like, but the end result would have been the largest tax increase in american history. the president wanted tax increases, but thanks to this imperfect agreement, 99% of my constituents will not be hit by those hikes. >> reporter: and you expect to hear that argument a lot in the coming hours as people try to sell this over in the house. house republicans voted to extend all the bush tax cuts, but harry reid never took that up. and so this is the only vehicle possible to avoid a massive tax hike for the entire country, rick. rick: well, we'll see what happens over the next several hours, and i have a feeling you and i will be talking again throughout the day. happy new year to you, mike. see you again soon. heather: that final deal was hashed out by senate minority leader mitch mcconnell and vice president joe biden. here's the vice president on capitol hill last night just before t
as the nation was heading for the fiscal cliff, here is the senate republican leader's closing argument. >> each of us could spend the rest of the week discussing what a perfect solutioning would have looked like, but the end result would have been the largest tax increase in american history. the president wanted tax increases, but thanks to this imperfect agreement, 99% of my constituents will not be hit by those hikes. >> reporter: and you expect to hear that argument a lot in...
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actually going over the fiscal cliff will help some republicans vote for a measure when maybe before they would have voted against it. some republicans up even though they are not on board, won't vote for this unless they have to. but i think john boehner wants more than 30 republicans to be on board with him. >> no doubt the case. brianna keilar in washington. looking for signs all morning about how this will go down. any smoke rising from the speaker's office, we know are you watching. >> let's dive into the senate deal. what it does on the business side. popular tax breaks extended, including a credit for research, which benefits high-tech companies and appear an investment rightoff that helps manufacturers. the long-term unemployed receives emergency benefits for another year. doctors spared a 27% cut in medicare reimbursements set to take effect in january. the $30 billion cost would be cut by cutting other health care programs. >> and tim huelkamp, you and i got into a little dustup last night. brand new year, 2013. let's start over again. happy new year to you, sir. >> happy n
actually going over the fiscal cliff will help some republicans vote for a measure when maybe before they would have voted against it. some republicans up even though they are not on board, won't vote for this unless they have to. but i think john boehner wants more than 30 republicans to be on board with him. >> no doubt the case. brianna keilar in washington. looking for signs all morning about how this will go down. any smoke rising from the speaker's office, we know are you watching....
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a senior democratic source saying the white house has a deal with republicans to avoid the fiscal cliff. a deal in the senate. however, there are still some questions about senate democrats which is why vice president biden s now and capitol hill we are told by sources to essentially get some of the liberal democrats to sign on to the deal avoiding the fiscal cliff. as you look live at the capitol dome, the light on top of the dome is lit because the congress s in session. but we haven't seen the piece of legislation move forward, the specifics. as you look live, vice president biden walked into the democratic caucus meeting there just beyond where the reporters are standing there by the microphones and said happy new year, happy new year, isn't it great that you all are here tonight. so what about this deal that is shaping up? the house will not be taking it up tonight. they have adjourned for the night and they will reconvene in 2013. actually you noon tomorrow the house will come back. essentially the u.s. will go over the fiscal cliff. but what about this deal that is shaping up and
a senior democratic source saying the white house has a deal with republicans to avoid the fiscal cliff. a deal in the senate. however, there are still some questions about senate democrats which is why vice president biden s now and capitol hill we are told by sources to essentially get some of the liberal democrats to sign on to the deal avoiding the fiscal cliff. as you look live at the capitol dome, the light on top of the dome is lit because the congress s in session. but we haven't seen...
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steve liesman has that for us. >> this could be the fiscal cliff game at home report. now that there is a plan in motion, can you see some of the things that are in play here. the revenue side of the fiscal cliff $520 billion, spending side, $130 billion. some piece of that is going to go away if indeed they do end up capping the increases of those at $400,000, 450 and above. we don't know how much. perhaps the vast bulk of it could go away. no discussion on wlornt automatic spending cuts for this year would be affected at all. there's the total 650. impact of the total fiscal cliff this year and by way of contrast or comparison, here is the gdp effect. we gained in nominal terms and that's why going over the cliff means negative growth, it means a recession. here is some of the detail of what we ever talking about here. 620 billion. that's the total revenue. depends on which numbers you use. moving on, per capitia effect, it affects different people differently. 26.2 million is the number of americans that will see an increase in taxes subject to amt that alternate ta
steve liesman has that for us. >> this could be the fiscal cliff game at home report. now that there is a plan in motion, can you see some of the things that are in play here. the revenue side of the fiscal cliff $520 billion, spending side, $130 billion. some piece of that is going to go away if indeed they do end up capping the increases of those at $400,000, 450 and above. we don't know how much. perhaps the vast bulk of it could go away. no discussion on wlornt automatic spending cuts...
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right now on capitol hill we are hearing there is progress in the talks to avoid the fiscal cliff. we've heard this before and we are hours away from massive tax hikes and spending cuts set to kick in at midnight. republican senator lindseys joih all his thoughts on the matter. welcome, senator, great to have you here today. >> glad to be with you. uma: let's talk for a moment. we don't even have a deal yet and you're already conceding this is a victory for the president. why? >> it will be. i mean no republican wants to raise tax rates. in 2010 the president said we needed to extend all the bush tax cuts because the economy was week. in 2012 the last day he's pushing to raise tax rates. the economy is still weak. it's all politics, he won the election. he said he come pained on raising tax rates on americans who make mourn 250,000. at the end of the day he'll probably get that victory. it will be a hollow victory because raising tax rates is not going to help job creation and it's certainly not going to get us out of debt. here is the question i asked on "fox news sunday," what ar
right now on capitol hill we are hearing there is progress in the talks to avoid the fiscal cliff. we've heard this before and we are hours away from massive tax hikes and spending cuts set to kick in at midnight. republican senator lindseys joih all his thoughts on the matter. welcome, senator, great to have you here today. >> glad to be with you. uma: let's talk for a moment. we don't even have a deal yet and you're already conceding this is a victory for the president. why? >> it...
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that's not even part of the fiscal cliff. that's in addition to the fiscal cliff. >>> good morning. we're live at the new york stock exchange. of course the moment we've been waiting for, the senate reconvening as we speak. 11:00 a.m. eastern time. we are waiting to see whether any progress has been made between republican senator mitch mcconnell and vice president joe biden. john harwood has told us they have not only had constructive talks, but talked past midnight, at 6:30 a.m. this morning. markets reacting quite like this, the dow down about 12 points, s&p positive by about three, and the nasdaq up about 15. meantime in hong kong, they are already celebrating the new year. this is a live picture of what's happening on the other side of the planet and that scene will be a lot more familiar to those on the east coast in just a few hours time. meantime just a few hours to go, still no deal on the fiscal cliff. how are the markets going to be impacted heading into the new year? head of research joining us from new york, andrew, happy new year to you. all kinds of predictions becaus
that's not even part of the fiscal cliff. that's in addition to the fiscal cliff. >>> good morning. we're live at the new york stock exchange. of course the moment we've been waiting for, the senate reconvening as we speak. 11:00 a.m. eastern time. we are waiting to see whether any progress has been made between republican senator mitch mcconnell and vice president joe biden. john harwood has told us they have not only had constructive talks, but talked past midnight, at 6:30 a.m. this...
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those voices have been buried behind the simplicity of a fiscal cliff. the press loves a deadline. >> the press loves a deadline and loves colorful language like fiscal cliff. thanks for joining us. >>> at the top of the hour, state of the union has republican reaction to the president's interview on "meet the press." did we really need to go haywire over david petraeus? mr. margin? don't be modest, bob. you found a better way to pack a bowling ball. that was ups. and who called ups? you did, bob. i just asked a question. it takes a long time to pack a bowling ball. the last guy pitched more ball packers. but you... you consulted ups. you found a better way. that's logistics. that's margin. find out what else ups knows. i'll do that. you're on a roll. that's funny. i wasn't being funny, bob. i know. i need you. i feel so alone. but you're not alone. i knew you'd come. like i could stay away. you know i can't do this without you. you'll never have to. you're always there for me. shh! i'll get you a rental car. i could also use an umbrella. fall in love wi
those voices have been buried behind the simplicity of a fiscal cliff. the press loves a deadline. >> the press loves a deadline and loves colorful language like fiscal cliff. thanks for joining us. >>> at the top of the hour, state of the union has republican reaction to the president's interview on "meet the press." did we really need to go haywire over david petraeus? mr. margin? don't be modest, bob. you found a better way to pack a bowling ball. that was ups. and...
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that's different from the fiscal cliff. >> well, they are intertwined. i mean, they are not separate entities and the issue here is the language that he used. he conflated republicans holding their own children hostage and then murdering them. imagine if a republican had said something like that. but you don't hear about it. you hear about it here -- >> because we put it here on fox news. i like to play the game deal or no deal -- >> taken. >> sorry. >> juliette, we are going to begin with you. >> okay. >> let me know what you think -- deal or no deal by the deadline? >> no deal like lindsay graham says. the meeting was political theater. >> andrea. >> no deal. he doesn't want one. [laughter] >> unfortunately, there probably will be something in early january -- >> with the parachute or not? >> it will be, whatever it is, it will be a bad deal for everybody. >> squishy republicans i. you are mad at republicans, you are mad at democrats. >> i am mad at lawmakers in d.c. -- >> i think you are going to say deal. >> i don't think there will be a deal before
that's different from the fiscal cliff. >> well, they are intertwined. i mean, they are not separate entities and the issue here is the language that he used. he conflated republicans holding their own children hostage and then murdering them. imagine if a republican had said something like that. but you don't hear about it. you hear about it here -- >> because we put it here on fox news. i like to play the game deal or no deal -- >> taken. >> sorry. >> juliette,...
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. >> president obama gave senate leaders a plan to avoid the fiscal cliff. if we go over the cliff, many of you decided who is to blame. 44 percent blame republicaning in congress. here to help us sort it out is the republican strategist and former iowa press secretary. you saw the poll on who gets the blame for this according to rasmusin . does this give president obama breathing room to hold out for the taxes on high earners. so be it it will be worse for conditions. >> i don't think either side wants this to happen. president obama doesn't want to give an inaugural address . conscience don't want to go over the cliff either. you want to start out in a new congress and in the new year on a right foot with a bipartisan agreement. we'll have a smaller deal hopefully before new years. >> i want to play a sound by the from charles krauthammer and get your take on this. listen to charles. >> it is clear from the beginning he had no intention to solve the fiscal issues. he's been using this and i must say with great skill and ruthless skill and success to fractu
. >> president obama gave senate leaders a plan to avoid the fiscal cliff. if we go over the cliff, many of you decided who is to blame. 44 percent blame republicaning in congress. here to help us sort it out is the republican strategist and former iowa press secretary. you saw the poll on who gets the blame for this according to rasmusin . does this give president obama breathing room to hold out for the taxes on high earners. so be it it will be worse for conditions. >> i don't...
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both the president and the republicans talking about the fiscal cliff in their weekly addresses. the president said yesterday he was modestly optimistic about a deal, but here he seems to hint at his own plan b if the senate can't reach a deal. >> if an agreement isn't reached on time, then i'll urge the senate to hold an up or down vote on a basic package that protects the middle class from an income tax hike, extends vital unemployment insurance for americans looking for a job, and lays the groundwork for future progress on more economic growth and deficit reduction. i believe such a proposal could pass both houses with bipartisan majorities as long as these leaders allow it to come to a vote. >> for the republican side, senator roy blunt of missouri who struck a more partisan tone is shifting blame to democrats. >> the republican-controlled house has taken the step in the right direction. the house has passed bills to protect all americans from burdensome tax increases. in addition, they passed legislation to replace damaging across the board spending cuts with responsible tar
both the president and the republicans talking about the fiscal cliff in their weekly addresses. the president said yesterday he was modestly optimistic about a deal, but here he seems to hint at his own plan b if the senate can't reach a deal. >> if an agreement isn't reached on time, then i'll urge the senate to hold an up or down vote on a basic package that protects the middle class from an income tax hike, extends vital unemployment insurance for americans looking for a job, and lays...
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cliff, that republicans will get the blame? >> well, of course they will. because republicans get blamed if it rains if washington. that shouldn't be the test here, it shouldn't be the consideration. but senator reid has had it within his power since spring to amend the house bill and send it back with whatever changes he wanted. that's what the constitution says. sadly, they've given speeches instead of getting the job done. but nobody, nobody wants taxes to go up on middle class americans. and i hope that everybody works real hard over the weekend. a lot of americans have to work on the weekend. i don't think it's a big deal that we have to work this weekend. >> it's not a big deal and you should all be working this weekend. listen, a few weeks ago it looked like speaker boehner and president obama were pretty close on a grand bargain. maybe not as big as should would hope. it looked like the president was saying, we'll raise that top rate and offer some entitlement reform. social security changes, cpi. some talk of raising t
cliff, that republicans will get the blame? >> well, of course they will. because republicans get blamed if it rains if washington. that shouldn't be the test here, it shouldn't be the consideration. but senator reid has had it within his power since spring to amend the house bill and send it back with whatever changes he wanted. that's what the constitution says. sadly, they've given speeches instead of getting the job done. but nobody, nobody wants taxes to go up on middle class...
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that's different from the fiscal cliff. >> well, they are intertwined. i mean, they are not separate entities and the issue here is the language that he used. he conflated republicans holding their own children hostage and then murdering them. imagine if a republican had said something like that. but you don't hear about it. you hear about it here -- >> because we put it here on fox news. i like to play the game deal or no deal -- >> taken. >> sorry. >> juliette, we are going to begin with you. >> okay. >> let me know what you think -- deal or no deal by the deadline? >> no deal like lindsay graham says. the meeting was political theater. >> andrea. >> no deal. he doesn't want one. [laughter] >> unfortunately, there probably will be something in early january -- >> with the parachute or not? >> it will be, whatever it is, it will be a bad deal for everybody. >> squishy republicans i. you are mad at republicans, you are mad at democrats. >> i am mad at lawmakers in d.c. -- >> i think you are going to say deal. >> i don't think there will be a deal before
that's different from the fiscal cliff. >> well, they are intertwined. i mean, they are not separate entities and the issue here is the language that he used. he conflated republicans holding their own children hostage and then murdering them. imagine if a republican had said something like that. but you don't hear about it. you hear about it here -- >> because we put it here on fox news. i like to play the game deal or no deal -- >> taken. >> sorry. >> juliette,...
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after that summer undertaken to the brink of a fiscal cliff, the thinking on the house republican leader ship is maybe a tea party freshmen will go homehome, get yelled at by constituents and realize maybe compromise is not such a bad thing. they went home and the people who put at town halls tend to be that this is their party and those people tend to be tea party and they said why did video? you said you would not under any circumstances raise the debt ceiling. at best there's mixed messages and a great likelihood it will be a while before we see moderation. >> is this for the leadership looks at the freshman, many of them second term members of congress and think if only we could control them. isn't the case for leadership as it is out of sync or is the leadership secretly happy that freshmen are getting the blame or credit for doing the dirty work they probably politically would not be what to do as leaders of the house? been the leadership is happy. they are happy that they are empowered. i suspect they wake up screaming because they don't have control. they leadership are referred
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not the fiscal cliff. that is debt ceiling debate we were talking about. he says give us a checkbook and taking a shot at republicans. that is different from the fiscal cliff. >> andrea: they are intertwined. not separate entities. i point out is the language he used. con plaited republicans holding their children hostage and murdering them. imagine if the republicans said that. you have don't hear about it. you hear about it here. >> kimberly: because we put it on fox news. i like to play a game called seal a new deal. go around the table. >> andrea: taken. >> kimberly: it has? >> andrea: yeah, sorry. >> kimberly: we play this and begin with you. let me know what you think. deal or no deal by the time of the deadline? >> no deal. meeting with the political theater. >> kimberly: andrea? >> andrea: no deal. >> kimberly: he doesn't want one. he is all for -- >> eric: there probably will be something early january. >> eric: it will be a bad deal. squishy republicans -- actually you are mad at everybody. mad at republicans and democrats. >> eric: lawmakers in
not the fiscal cliff. that is debt ceiling debate we were talking about. he says give us a checkbook and taking a shot at republicans. that is different from the fiscal cliff. >> andrea: they are intertwined. not separate entities. i point out is the language he used. con plaited republicans holding their children hostage and murdering them. imagine if the republicans said that. you have don't hear about it. you hear about it here. >> kimberly: because we put it on fox news. i like...
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policies led to fiscal cliff blowup. why are republicans all painted as obstructionists and democrats seem to go a free pass? mark han a says republicans are the ones to blame. hannah, what do you mean republicans are obstruction insists always? spending is the problem, is it not? >> no, look, we have a huge problem with revenue now. the revenue through taxes last year was as low as ever. right now we don't have the money -- hold on, sir, you can't throw a know like that and say as low as ever. revenues have been going up. >> in recent memory. >> for decades. >> president obama has presided over the lowest tax rate in mod hern history and decades. we're trying to role back taxes for people making over $250,000 a year. what john boehner is doing by letting us go off the fiscal cliff is raising every american's income taxes in about a week by not negotiating with the white house. he -- he's in a awkward position, he can't even get his own party to back his own republican proposals, so what we're seeing is congressmen and c
policies led to fiscal cliff blowup. why are republicans all painted as obstructionists and democrats seem to go a free pass? mark han a says republicans are the ones to blame. hannah, what do you mean republicans are obstruction insists always? spending is the problem, is it not? >> no, look, we have a huge problem with revenue now. the revenue through taxes last year was as low as ever. right now we don't have the money -- hold on, sir, you can't throw a know like that and say as low as...
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bronx.tart out with the what do you think about the fiscal cliff? caller: i am happy to show those guys who are supposed to be our leaders so everybody can see. all these guys are working for their rich donors who basically run the whole campaign during the regular year to make sure that they are funded, and they are going to go to bat for the rich donors who take care, not the middle class, not the working class people. host: appreciate your call. richard calling in our online for republicans from colorado. what do you think? caller: 84 allowing me the opportunity to speak. i understand there are some very good and honest people in congress working to try to solve our problems. it appears the two-party system does not work effectively. for decades, we continue to see gridlock and that thing is ever accomplished trick as returned -- retired veteran, i am worried about my veterans benefits being caught on the meager pay i receipt, and the seniors who scrape by with that in cup they get them and we have the budget and make sure we stay within our mean
bronx.tart out with the what do you think about the fiscal cliff? caller: i am happy to show those guys who are supposed to be our leaders so everybody can see. all these guys are working for their rich donors who basically run the whole campaign during the regular year to make sure that they are funded, and they are going to go to bat for the rich donors who take care, not the middle class, not the working class people. host: appreciate your call. richard calling in our online for republicans...
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the senate has been meeting, but on matters unrelated to the fiscal cliff. the house will not meet until sunday, it looks like. there was a particularly pointed comment yesterday from senate majority leader harry reid aimed at republican house speaker john boehner. >> the american people i don't think understand the house of representatives is operating without the house of representatives. it's being operated with a dictatorship of the speaker, not allowing the vast majority of house of representatives to get what they want. >> here was the speaker's response to that comment. senator reid should talk less and legislate more. the house already passed legislation to avoid the entire fiscal cliff. senate democrats have not. now, this will bring us back to the price of milk. this is not technically part of the fiscal cliff, but it's because congress was not able to pass a farm bill this year. because of some strange 1949 price supports, the price of milk could skyrocket at your local grocery store. could go up a few dollars gallon if we revert back to that 1949
the senate has been meeting, but on matters unrelated to the fiscal cliff. the house will not meet until sunday, it looks like. there was a particularly pointed comment yesterday from senate majority leader harry reid aimed at republican house speaker john boehner. >> the american people i don't think understand the house of representatives is operating without the house of representatives. it's being operated with a dictatorship of the speaker, not allowing the vast majority of house of...
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more than democrats or president obama for the fiscal crisis. and when asked who they held more response, 27% said the gop, 6% pointed to the dems and 30% said all of the above. for more on this, we're joined by christian schultz from barronberg bank. welcome. so we're going over the fiscal cliff. >> well, the consumer confidenc already be over the cliff in terms of confidence already. that might already be the first impact of the crisis of -- not of the crisis, but yes of the fiscal cliff. it seems we have this moment where this animal goes over the cliff, all limbs are still rotating around and we're staring into the abyss and eventually we're going to fold. >> i love that mental image. >> but it was the expectations component of that confidence data yesterday that was responsible for the headline decline. what's interesting is the current component continues to increase. when you look at the drop in gas prices, the job market held up okay, it should have been a pretty good holiday season. confidence taking a bit of a hit. maybe you can finger
more than democrats or president obama for the fiscal crisis. and when asked who they held more response, 27% said the gop, 6% pointed to the dems and 30% said all of the above. for more on this, we're joined by christian schultz from barronberg bank. welcome. so we're going over the fiscal cliff. >> well, the consumer confidenc already be over the cliff in terms of confidence already. that might already be the first impact of the crisis of -- not of the crisis, but yes of the fiscal...
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"off the fiscal cliff, this fall is really going to hurt." that's what they said. >>> up next, it used to be a favorite republican pastime, going after hillary clinton. it hasn't happened for a while, of course, but what if she does run for president? how could they resist doing it again? you're watching "hardball," the place for politics. she knows you like no one else. and you wouldn't have it any other way. but your erectile dysfunction - you know, that could be a question of blood flow. cialis tadalafil for daily use helps you be ready anytime the moment's right. you can be more confident in your ability to be ready. and the same cialis is the only daily ed tablet approved to treat ed and symptoms of bph, like needing to go frequently or urgently. tell your doctor about all your medical conditions and medications, and ask if your heart is healthy enough for sexual activity. do not take cialis if you take nitrates for chest pain, as this may cause an unsafe drop in blood pressure. do not drink alcohol in excess with cialis. side effects ma
"off the fiscal cliff, this fall is really going to hurt." that's what they said. >>> up next, it used to be a favorite republican pastime, going after hillary clinton. it hasn't happened for a while, of course, but what if she does run for president? how could they resist doing it again? you're watching "hardball," the place for politics. she knows you like no one else. and you wouldn't have it any other way. but your erectile dysfunction - you know, that could be...
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as the fiscal cliff approaches reuters reports republicans are aiming to vote today in the house on a plan which obama probably says he would veto meanwhile fish has warned the u.s. could lose its aaa credit rating if washington doesn't get a deal to treat what we call economy riya now this may all feel like deja vu and maybe it will all turn out fine maybe it won't though where do you want to place your bets we'll talk to the daily reckonings eric bryant and joe bowman about their choices was a german study finds paying taxes has a positive impact on a person's subjective well being no word on what the findings would bring in the west but if you are counting on taxation to make you feel like your quality of life is on the up and up stateside we'll talk about some other economic options and the opec of maple syrup has been robbed millions of dollars worth of the hot commodity has been stolen from canada's maple syrup cartel yes cartel i said maple syrup cartel and those are not my words that's according to the new york times we'll talk about it in loose change let's get to today's cap
as the fiscal cliff approaches reuters reports republicans are aiming to vote today in the house on a plan which obama probably says he would veto meanwhile fish has warned the u.s. could lose its aaa credit rating if washington doesn't get a deal to treat what we call economy riya now this may all feel like deja vu and maybe it will all turn out fine maybe it won't though where do you want to place your bets we'll talk to the daily reckonings eric bryant and joe bowman about their choices was...
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"off the fiscal cliff, this fall is really going to hurt." that's what they said. >>> up next, it used to be a favorite republican pastime, going after hillary clinton. it hasn't happened for a while, of course, but what if she does run for president? how could they resist doing it again? you're watching "hardball," the place for politics. check out my new treadmill app. pretty sweet, huh? cute. but don't you have any apps on your phone that can make your life easier? who do you think i am, quicken loans? at quicken loans, we'll provide you with myql mobile. this amazingly useful app allows you to take pictures of your mortgage documents using an iphone or android smart phone... so you can easily send them to us. one more way quicken loans is engineered to amaze. ooh, la-la! >>> i'm craig melvin. we have some breaking news at this hour. nbc news laz learned president obama will host a meeting tomorrow afternoon with congressional leadership from both sides of the aisle. house this really a concussion -- >> you mean john bolton. >> i feel if s
"off the fiscal cliff, this fall is really going to hurt." that's what they said. >>> up next, it used to be a favorite republican pastime, going after hillary clinton. it hasn't happened for a while, of course, but what if she does run for president? how could they resist doing it again? you're watching "hardball," the place for politics. check out my new treadmill app. pretty sweet, huh? cute. but don't you have any apps on your phone that can make your life...
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the mood here really feels like resignation, that the fiscal cliff deadline will come and go, and no agreement reached. democrats and republicans say they want progress, but there is nothing to report. but there are plenty of recriminations about which party is to blame. the president left his family in hawaii to return to washington. with the help of the economy and a bank account of every american family on the line. but the back and forth bickering continues. >> the only people in america who don't think taxes should be raised on the ridge are the republicans who work in this building. >> make no mistake. the only reason democrats have been trying to deflect attention on to me and my colleagues over the past few weeks, they don't have a plan of their own that could get bipartisan support. >> reporter: taxes go up for every worker next week. unemployment benefits for those out of the job longest run out. deep spending cuts kick in that could hasten a recession. and that hits a nerve. >> it really upsets me, because the government is supposed to be working for the people. and i don'
the mood here really feels like resignation, that the fiscal cliff deadline will come and go, and no agreement reached. democrats and republicans say they want progress, but there is nothing to report. but there are plenty of recriminations about which party is to blame. the president left his family in hawaii to return to washington. with the help of the economy and a bank account of every american family on the line. but the back and forth bickering continues. >> the only people in...
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off the fiscal cliff, this fall is really going to hurt. that's what they said. >>> up next, it used to be a favorite republican pastime, going after hillary clinton. it hasn't happened for a while, of course, but what if she does run for president? how could they resist doing it again? you're watching haum, the place for politics. when you have diabetes... your doctor will say get smart about your weight. that's why there's glucerna hunger smart shakes. they have carb steady, with carbs that digest slowly to help minimize blood sugar spikes. [ male announcer ] glucerna hunger smart. a smart way to help manage hunger and diabetes. mine was earned off vietnam in 1968. over the south pacific in 1943. i got mine in iraq, 2003. usaa auto insurance is often handed down from generation to generation. because it offers a superior level of protection, and because usaa's commitment to serve the military, veterans and their families is without equal. begin your legacy, get an auto insurance quote. usaa. we know what it means to serve. if by blessed y
off the fiscal cliff, this fall is really going to hurt. that's what they said. >>> up next, it used to be a favorite republican pastime, going after hillary clinton. it hasn't happened for a while, of course, but what if she does run for president? how could they resist doing it again? you're watching haum, the place for politics. when you have diabetes... your doctor will say get smart about your weight. that's why there's glucerna hunger smart shakes. they have carb steady, with...
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the senate is working on issues other than the fiscal cliff. the house doesn't return until sunday. president obama got back today but no significant progress towards a deal. democrats and republicans are fighting about process and issues. republicans want democrats to come up with a new proposal. house republicans say sign on to their proposal, keeping tax ritz rates where they are. when it comes to this impasse, both sides have taken to blaming one another. >> the house of representatives is operating without the house of representative. it's being operated with a dictatorship of the speaker. not allowing the vast majority of the house represents to get what they want. if the 250 would be brought up, it would pass overwhelmingly. >> we wanted an agreement. but we had no takers. the phone never rang and so now here we are five days from the new year and we might finally start talking. >> even if democrats and republicans, their leadership and the president, were to strike a deal on the fiscal cliff, it will take a couple days for the senate to work through it, the house to work thr
the senate is working on issues other than the fiscal cliff. the house doesn't return until sunday. president obama got back today but no significant progress towards a deal. democrats and republicans are fighting about process and issues. republicans want democrats to come up with a new proposal. house republicans say sign on to their proposal, keeping tax ritz rates where they are. when it comes to this impasse, both sides have taken to blaming one another. >> the house of...
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fiscal cliff. let's take a listen. >> we'll see what the president has to propose. members on both sides of the aisle will review it, and then we'll decide how best to proceed. hopefully, there's still time for an agreement of some kind that saves the taxpayers from a wholly, wholly preventable economic crisis. mr. president, i yield the floor. >> the majority leader. >> i'm not sure my distinguished republican counterpart has followed what has taken place in the house of representatives. the house, as reported lie the press and we all know, one of the plans that didn't have a name, it wasn't plan "b," i don't know what plan it was because they've had a number over there, but this plan was to show the american people that the $250,000 ceiling on raising taxes wouldn't pass in the house. why didn't they have that vote? because it would have passed. they wanted to kill it. the speaker wanted to show everybody that it wouldn't pass the house. but he couldn't bring it up for vote because it would have
fiscal cliff. let's take a listen. >> we'll see what the president has to propose. members on both sides of the aisle will review it, and then we'll decide how best to proceed. hopefully, there's still time for an agreement of some kind that saves the taxpayers from a wholly, wholly preventable economic crisis. mr. president, i yield the floor. >> the majority leader. >> i'm not sure my distinguished republican counterpart has followed what has taken place in the house of...
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cliff, while attitudes towards republicans are consistently bad and the blame and disapproval is only growing for them. it's costing them in the polls and at the polls this crisis of leadership, this consistent blocking that every obama has tried to do. it's really over a tax increase, and for what? it's really to stop primary challenges. that's what this is all about. i mean, it's really bringing the country to a standstill for their own political short term. >> "new york times" is talking about the urgency issue in all of this, and lacking urgency that we have witnessed. they say, yeah, with days left before the fiscal punch lands, both sides are exhibiting little sense of urgency. rather than to foster progress. perry is that the biggest thing, the primaries moving out of this and how everything looks back? >> i think there are two things going on. the first is democrats generally feel they won a man dade. they're not backing down -- the second thing is the primary issue. you have members of congress say last week there was a proposal to raise taxes, and a lot of republicans said i
cliff, while attitudes towards republicans are consistently bad and the blame and disapproval is only growing for them. it's costing them in the polls and at the polls this crisis of leadership, this consistent blocking that every obama has tried to do. it's really over a tax increase, and for what? it's really to stop primary challenges. that's what this is all about. i mean, it's really bringing the country to a standstill for their own political short term. >> "new york...
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way forward on the fiscal cliff. we got this from another house republican a few moments ago. >> we're going over the cliff because frankly i believe it is what the president wants. if you go back and look how he has handled this negotiation from the very beginning, go back and look what his own administration has been telling him for years. that tax rates need to go up on everybody. this has been the president's position i believe from the very beginning and i think that's where we'll end up. >> reporter: the president suggested a christmas holiday, maybe a cooling-off period, a time for lawmakers to go home and think what they want to do about the fiscal cliff. it sounds like post-christmas everybody is more pessimistic than ever. harris? harris: they have got travel woes too right now. there are people who might want to get back to washington and can't as they wait for certain snowstorms to move along. mike, thank you very much. >> reporter: thank you. jon: you knew the fiscal cliff could hit you hard in the paych
way forward on the fiscal cliff. we got this from another house republican a few moments ago. >> we're going over the cliff because frankly i believe it is what the president wants. if you go back and look how he has handled this negotiation from the very beginning, go back and look what his own administration has been telling him for years. that tax rates need to go up on everybody. this has been the president's position i believe from the very beginning and i think that's where we'll...
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on the fiscal cliff. republicans have been resisting that by announcing the debt ceiling limit will be held on monday, ratchets up the pressure to include the debt ceiling piece in the final package, whatever that may be, but still not clear, carl, there is going to be a final package of any kind. one quick note, we saw the realism. pact in the real world of the debt situation. treasury announcing yesterday it has suspended the sale of state and local government securities, government series securities. so already, they are doing some maneuvering here financially to try to avoid that debtly limit. the treasury secretary says he doesn't know how much wiggle room they are going to have, given that all the fiscal cliff uncertainty is out there. >> eamon, on this idea that the house members get called back with 48 hours' notice. traders are looking for that headline if it happens almost that bleed out there or procedural moment where that is announced, so to speak? >> a good question. i have been in touch wit
on the fiscal cliff. republicans have been resisting that by announcing the debt ceiling limit will be held on monday, ratchets up the pressure to include the debt ceiling piece in the final package, whatever that may be, but still not clear, carl, there is going to be a final package of any kind. one quick note, we saw the realism. pact in the real world of the debt situation. treasury announcing yesterday it has suspended the sale of state and local government securities, government series...
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republicans don't -- >> andrea: admit it. face calf cliff is not the fiscal cliff. it should be called returning to the clinton era tax rate. isn't that the democrats' dream? return to clinton era tax rates? >> juan: that was 39%. that is not a big deal. not comparable to rates under reagan or going back to clinton. clinton was 39%. >> eric: that is where we are going. what about this. every time boehner an obama get close to a deal, president obama moves the goalpost back. >> kimberly: he is playing hard ball. this is the problem. he is going hmm to you, republicans. i don't care about that. that is nothing. i get that for free. he is the guy changing the play for his side. what about the right? >> juan: the american people. look at the poll, they think president obama is willing to compromise. >> andrea: which is ironic. [ overtalk ] >> juan: who are the obstructionists? it's my ideology, i can't negotiate. even if we go off the cliff, endanger the whole economy. >> greg: here is thing. the idea of adhering to a principle in this world is seen as extremism, trying
republicans don't -- >> andrea: admit it. face calf cliff is not the fiscal cliff. it should be called returning to the clinton era tax rate. isn't that the democrats' dream? return to clinton era tax rates? >> juan: that was 39%. that is not a big deal. not comparable to rates under reagan or going back to clinton. clinton was 39%. >> eric: that is where we are going. what about this. every time boehner an obama get close to a deal, president obama moves the goalpost back....
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republicans don't -- >> andrea: admit it. face calf cliff is not the fiscal cliff. it should be called returning to the clinton era tax rate. isn't that the democrats' dream? return to clinton era tax rates? >> juan: that was 39%. that is not a big deal. not comparable to rates under reagan or going back to clinton. clinton was 39%. >> eric: that is where we are going. what about this. every time boehner an obama get close to a deal, president obama moves the goalpost back. >> kimberly: he is playing hard ball. this is the problem. he is going hmm to you, republicans. i don't care about that. that is nothing. i get that for free. he is the guy changing the play for his side. what about the right? >> juan: the american people. look at the poll, they think president obama is willing to compromise. >> andrea: which is ironic. [ overtalk ] >> juan: who are the obstructionists? it's my ideology, i can't negotiate. even if we go off the cliff, endanger the whole economy. >> greg: here is thing. the idea of adhering to a principle in this world is seen as extremism, trying
republicans don't -- >> andrea: admit it. face calf cliff is not the fiscal cliff. it should be called returning to the clinton era tax rate. isn't that the democrats' dream? return to clinton era tax rates? >> juan: that was 39%. that is not a big deal. not comparable to rates under reagan or going back to clinton. clinton was 39%. >> eric: that is where we are going. what about this. every time boehner an obama get close to a deal, president obama moves the goalpost back....
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and save america from the fiscal cliff. how does the president win this optics war, grover? >> well, it's all politics. he's not put a proposal on the table that makes any sense. when talk about plans a, b, and c, the republicans have passed plana,he ryan bill, ryan budget and plan. that saves $6 trillion over the next decade. it reforms entitlements. it reforms taxes. doesn't raise them, reforms them without raising taxe on people. so that's a plan that's written down that's passed the house of representatives and has strong support among republicans in the senate. the alternative is nothing. >> we know that's not going to pass the senate and we also know the white house isn't going to sign that. move on. my contention is after -- >> allow me. >> work with me. it's an important question. let's say president obama says we're going off the fiscal cliff. we go off the cliff. tax cuts expire, sequestration, they kick it down the road. if president obama then says i'm going to put in tax cuts for anyone making under $250,000 a year. i'm going to call them obama tax cuts. will ru
and save america from the fiscal cliff. how does the president win this optics war, grover? >> well, it's all politics. he's not put a proposal on the table that makes any sense. when talk about plans a, b, and c, the republicans have passed plana,he ryan bill, ryan budget and plan. that saves $6 trillion over the next decade. it reforms entitlements. it reforms taxes. doesn't raise them, reforms them without raising taxe on people. so that's a plan that's written down that's passed the...
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and republicans are losing the debate on the fiscal cliff. they should be saying this. this is obama's economy. let the president and the democrats own it, lets them own the massive exploding national debt, let them own the tax hikes, let them own the defense cuts. instead boehner and the gaining are letth president to star his own superhero film. he's going to come back in and save us from the fiscal cliff while others are puffing marlboros. winning the optics war and winning it big. juan, how do you get the ball back from the democrats? they had it. next thing you know, the ball is in your court. >> i'm going to have to upset you, my friend. i think you are right. i think boehner is at the moment looking weaker. he's out of the talks all together at the moment. no role to play. his own troops have abandoned him. i'm told he's okay of keeping the speaker ship on january 3rd when they vote but you start to hear rumors about eric cantor who you see next to him possibly launching some kind of -- but it seems to me he's in a position the republicans in the senate and the w
and republicans are losing the debate on the fiscal cliff. they should be saying this. this is obama's economy. let the president and the democrats own it, lets them own the massive exploding national debt, let them own the tax hikes, let them own the defense cuts. instead boehner and the gaining are letth president to star his own superhero film. he's going to come back in and save us from the fiscal cliff while others are puffing marlboros. winning the optics war and winning it big. juan, how...
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., and try to save america from falling off the fiscal cliff. how does the president when this optics war, grover? >> it is all politics. he has not put a proposal on the table that makes any sense. republicans have actually passen plan a, bu the ryan budget, the ryan plan. ent saving transit dollars over the decade. it reforms taxes, does not raise it, reforms that without raising taxes on people. so that is a plan that is passed in the house of representatives in the house of representatives republicans in the senate. the alternative to that is nothing. eric: we know that will not pass the senate and we know the white house will not sign it. here is what my contention has been. allow me. work with me. very important question at the end of this. we go off the cliff, all the tax cuts expire, sequestration,ick whatever. here is the question though. if president obama then says i will put in the tax cuts for anybody making under $250,000 per year, call it obama taxll r cuts, will republicans say no to voting for a tax cut? >> the interesting quest
., and try to save america from falling off the fiscal cliff. how does the president when this optics war, grover? >> it is all politics. he has not put a proposal on the table that makes any sense. republicans have actually passen plan a, bu the ryan budget, the ryan plan. ent saving transit dollars over the decade. it reforms taxes, does not raise it, reforms that without raising taxes on people. so that is a plan that is passed in the house of representatives in the house of...